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DOMENICO MONTANARO, BYLINE: That’s dedication. I did not know the Nationals had such loyal followers.
DAVIS: Nicely, she was proper concerning the final sport, so let’s hope she’s proper concerning the subsequent one.
TIM MAK, BYLINE: Go sports activities.
DAVIS: (Laughter) Hey there. It is the NPR POLITICS PODCAST. I am Susan Davis. I cowl Congress.
MAK: I am Tim Mak. I additionally cowl Congress.
RYAN LUCAS, BYLINE: I am Ryan Lucas. I cowl the Justice Division.
MONTANARO: And I am Domenico Montanaro, senior political editor and correspondent.
DAVIS: So late final night time, we discovered that the Justice Division’s evaluation of the origins of the Russia probe has now turn into a prison investigation. Ryan, what is going on on?
LUCAS: Nicely, that is an excellent query. There are usually not loads of particulars on this. We have no idea when this modification came about. We do not know what prompted it. We do not know what potential prison wrongdoing investigators are wanting into. These are all essential questions.
However the truth that that is now a prison investigation, what which means is that the workforce that’s wanting into the origins of the Russia investigation can impanel a grand jury. They will problem subpoenas to compel individuals to return in and testify and likewise to show over paperwork. So these are essential powers. And likewise, they might doubtlessly deliver prison prices.
DAVIS: So, Ryan, what have been they initially taking a look at?
LUCAS: So that they have been wanting on the origins of the Russian investigation and to primarily decide whether or not U.S. intelligence businesses, together with the FBI, the CIA, did something incorrect, abused their powers within the early phases of the Russia investigation and taking a look at ties between the Trump marketing campaign and Russia.
DAVIS: So this isn’t the primary investigation to attempt to study the origins of the Russia investigation. The inspector normal on the Justice Division – proper? – has regarded into this. The Senate Intelligence Committee has been wanting into this. And there is by no means been – to date it feels like – any suggestion that there was prison conduct based mostly on different investigations.
LUCAS: Nicely, we’re ready for the inspector normal to problem a report. He has been on the lookout for greater than a yr now into allegations of potential surveillance abuses of the Trump marketing campaign through the election, wanting into a number of different issues tied to the election as nicely. Republicans have put loads of inventory in that investigation. They’re definitely ready for that to return out.
After which you’ve got the Senate Intelligence Committee, which has interviewed greater than 200 individuals who have been concerned in drawing up the intelligence group’s evaluation of Russian interference in 2016. They’ve talked to mainly everybody who’s concerned in doing that. And so they got here to the conclusion that the intelligence group’s evaluation was right. They agreed with it. And importantly, in addition they did not discover something that they flagged as elevating issues about how that investigation and what they have been taking a look at was carried out.
MAK: You realize, the timing of this has raised loads of eyebrows, too, proper?
MAK: We’re deep into now an impeachment inquiry and really probably an impeachment course of that goes from the Home over to the Senate. And so it nearly looks as if counterprogramming to loads of the issues that’ll be popping out within the coming weeks and months as Democrats attempt to make the case that the president has achieved one thing incorrect with reference to the Ukrainian authorities.
DAVIS: And that is validating for the president to now have the ability to say I’m proper to be involved about it; there is a prison investigation occurring.
MONTANARO: Yep. It provides him fodder. You realize, it is actually been an obsession of his, this impeachment inquiry. He’ll proceed to speak about it. And he is been on the lookout for one thing, something to form of grasp his hat on. And right here you go.
MAK: There isn’t a – it is value noting that there isn’t any public proof that there was wrongdoing at any level within the origins of the investigation into the – into President Trump or Russia or any of these issues. If there was some wrongdoing, the general public isn’t conscious of it.
DAVIS: It has been a constant suspicion, said suspicion of the president, that there have been gamers within the authorities out to get him, and that he’s needed to search out out who these gamers have been and that it was a part of some broader conspiracy.
LUCAS: Proper. And I’ve spent loads of time speaking to members of the Senate Intelligence Committee who’ve checked out the entire proof that has been gathered by U.S. intelligence businesses. They’ve checked out how that proof was dealt with. They’ve interviewed the individuals concerned. And no one – Republican, Democrat – has stated to me sure, I’ve vital issues that authorities have been abused, powers have been abused, that U.S. intelligence businesses abused their energy in any method, form or kind in direction of the Trump marketing campaign.
DAVIS: There isn’t a timeline on investigations. However I might notice that in politics, investigations on Capitol Hill or in any other case typically keep on by an election cycle. And we do not understand how lengthy this investigation will go on. But it surely does stand to purpose that that is now going to be an element within the already extremely politicized surroundings of the 2020 marketing campaign, the Russia query and the impeachment investigation.
MONTANARO: Proper. And for Trump, he simply wants one thing to have the ability to say, you already know, here is one thing for the bottom to rally round, to – in order that they will use it as gas for 2020 and have the ability to say that is nonetheless a part of the witch hunt, the hoax that got here out of the Russia-Mueller probe, and that they are combating again now.
DAVIS: All proper, now we have to depart it there. Ryan, I do know it’s important to go. Thanks a lot.
DAVIS: All proper, we’ll take a fast break. And after we get again, we’ll speak about Mark Zuckerberg’s look on Capitol Hill this week.
All proper, we’re again. And we’ll speak about Fb, however earlier than we do this, we must always notice that Fb is one in all NPR’s sponsors. And we’re one of many information shops of their information tab. And joined now by Asma Khalid. Hey, Asma.
ASMA KHALID, BYLINE: Hey, Sue.
DAVIS: So we’ll speak concerning the congressional listening to. However earlier than we get to that, I simply need to deal with Fb CEO Mark Zuckerberg. Asma, he has made loads of headlines within the 2020 presidential race already.
KHALID: That is proper. And a part of that’s as a result of he is been in a fairly public spat with Elizabeth Warren, who’s been working for president. She’s one of many main contenders at this level. Months again, she introduced a plan to primarily break up massive tech corporations like Fb. And clearly that does not sit nicely with him. She’s additionally been fairly important of the concept Fb does not have fact-checking in its advertisements that it has on-line. And to make this level lately, she really put up a faux Fb advert that stated that Mark Zuckerberg supported Donald Trump for president to attempt to show this level.
DAVIS: So this problem of fact-checking political advertisements was very a lot the problem at hand on Capitol Hill this week, proper, Tim?
MAK: That is proper. This is, for instance, some tape from Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez grilling Mark Zuckerberg.
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ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: Do you see a possible drawback right here with an entire lack of fact-checking on political commercials?
MARK ZUCKERBERG: Nicely, Congresswoman, I feel mendacity is dangerous. And I feel should you have been to run an advert that had a lie, that may be dangerous. That is completely different from it being – from it – in our place, the best factor to do to stop your constituents or individuals in an election from seeing that you just had lied.
OCASIO-CORTEZ: So we will – so you will not take down lies, or you’ll take down lies? I feel that is only a fairly easy sure or no.
OCASIO-CORTEZ: I am not speaking about spin, I am speaking about precise…
ZUCKERBERG: Normally – in a democracy…
ZUCKERBERG: I imagine that individuals ought to have the ability to see for themselves what politicians that they might or might not vote for are saying…
OCASIO-CORTEZ: So you will not take them down.
ZUCKERBERG: …To allow them to choose their character for themselves.
OCASIO-CORTEZ: So you will not take – you might flag that it is incorrect, however you will not take it down.
ZUCKERBERG: Congresswoman, it is – it depends upon the context that it reveals up.
DAVIS: How’d that go over, Tim?
MAK: Nicely, not nicely. I imply, he was there supposedly to speak about Libra, which is that this cryptocurrency that Fb is hoping to launch. However, you already know, members of Congress have loads of causes to be upset with Fb and to query Mark Zuckerberg on a variety of points, most of which focus on this concept that Fb has gotten too highly effective. I imply, they’re grilling Mark Zuckerberg about whether or not politicians are permitted to lie in advertisements, whether or not Fb as a platform is weak to international interference and disinformation, and whether or not it is doing sufficient to cease discrimination in its promoting. All of those points are coming at Mark Zuckerberg.
They’re nonetheless making an attempt to launch this cryptocurrency, by the best way. They’re making an attempt to do all types of initiatives. However they’re actually discovering this massive problem in all of the completely different questions that members of Congress and their constituents have about whether or not Fb is a societal internet profit and good.
DAVIS: Domenico, it is so attention-grabbing as a result of Fb in politics began out as a little bit of a golden youngster. The candidates and all people needed to play on the platform. And now it is a model that appears to be getting it on all sides. Asma’s speaking about Elizabeth Warren, however I additionally know loads of conservatives are questioning Fb and algorithms and whether or not they really feel like they’re biased in direction of conservatives. It does not look like Fb has loads of buddies in politics proper now.
MONTANARO: Yeah, it is humorous as a result of Fb really was someplace that conservatives have been really capable of form of collect and mobilize. You realize, in – again in 2010 through the Tea Occasion, for instance, individuals weren’t even listening to loads of the teams that have been popping up on Fb that have been actually conservative teams that have been capable of mobilize and get individuals to go to loads of these rallies that they have been having.
However Zuckerberg right here, the extra he is out in public, you already know, the tougher it has been. I imply, he even stated himself, quote, “I get that I am not the perfect messenger right here.” (Laughter) I imply, that could be very troublesome when you’ve got someone who’s the purpose one who really is taking it from all sides and does not seem to essentially have the ability to form of have the ability to, you already know, parry again with them in a method that makes loads of sense for his enterprise.
DAVIS: This is the factor; corporations do not regulate themselves. Congress – what? – has to resolve if it needs to attempt to regulate an trade. So is all of the robust speak on Capitol Hill, is it simply that? Is it simply robust speak? Is there really going to be any motion to attempt to do issues like regulate these tech corporations?
MAK: The proposals that Congress has put ahead will not basically change the calculus of Fb and its position in our society, proper? So the proposals largely revolve round issues like, oh, if somebody buys an advert, we have to know who bought that advert, transparency in promoting. However no severe proposals, no proposals that are prone to move Congress, get to the elemental query of Fb’s energy and the way it may very well be reformed, modified, managed ultimately.
KHALID: And while you have a look at the Democratic candidates working for president, actually the one who’s been form of probably the most vocal critic I might say has been Elizabeth Warren. And that is why we see her on this public spat with Mark Zuckerberg. The truth is, there was leaked audio by The Verge the place Mark Zuckerberg was speaking about Senator Warren and form of slamming the concept of her being president.
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ZUCKERBERG: Like Elizabeth Warren, who thinks that the best reply is to interrupt up the businesses. You realize, I imply, if she will get elected president, then I might – I might wager that we’ll have a authorized problem. And I might wager that we’ll win the authorized problem. So it is – so mainly it is – and – so does that also suck for us? Yeah. I imply, I do not need to should, you already know, have a serious lawsuit towards our personal authorities. I imply, that is not, like, the place that you just need to be in while you’re – you already know, I imply, it is, like, we care about our nation and need to work with our authorities to do good issues. However look; on the finish of the day, if somebody’s going to attempt to threaten one thing that existential, you go to the mat and also you combat.
KHALID: I imply, there is a purpose why they’re on this public spat. There is a purpose why he could be involved if she have been to turn into the president of United States.
DAVIS: And earlier than we take a break, I need to speak about another factor that occurred on the Hill this week and possibly one thing that may have gotten extra consideration if not for all the opposite scandals in our lives that we’re masking. Democratic California congresswoman Katie Hill is now underneath an ethics investigation as a result of she is accused in what’s admittedly a really rancorous divorce continuing from her husband of getting an extramarital affair with a member of her congressional employees.
The Home Ethics Committee introduced on Wednesday that they might be investigating this. However the purpose why it is so attention-grabbing to me is the one purpose it is being investigated is as a result of simply final yr, the Home of Representatives modified the principles of the Home to ban lawmakers from having sexual relationships with anybody on their congressional employees in response to the #MeToo motion. And it’s form of fascinating that the primary lawmaker to set off this new period of conduct guidelines is a feminine freshman lawmaker.
MAK: And so, Sue, what’s been the response so removed from Congresswoman Hill about these allegations, and what has she acknowledged and denied?
DAVIS: She has stated the allegation towards her concerning the aide is totally unfaithful. She has talked brazenly that she goes by a divorce continuing. I feel it is truthful to say divorces can get nasty and private. There was loads of unfavorable protection of her in conservative media, to which she says she thinks that is a part of a political smear marketing campaign. It could be. Ethics goes to obviously speak to her and this aide.
But it surely’s additionally – you already know, she’s an elected member of the Democratic get together leaderships. She’s undoubtedly somebody who’s seen as a rising star within the get together. And it is also the form of factor that Democrats do not actually need proper now, proper? They’re making an attempt to deliver forth an impeachment continuing towards the president. They’re making an attempt to seem like the grownup, accountable get together. Typically talking, while you begin to have scandals in your personal get together, it form of undermines your standing that, hey, we are the good guys.
KHALID: So what are different Democrats saying? As a result of I recall she gained a fairly aggressive seat.
KHALID: I imply, it’s a aggressive seat there in California.
DAVIS: I imply, that is the problem that they’ll have. Her seat will once more be, in 2020, one of many top-tier races for management of the Home, sophisticated by the truth that California expedited all of their submitting deadlines as a result of they moved up their presidential main, and that form of moved up submitting deadlines down the board. Their submitting deadline is December 6. That is, like, six weeks from now.
MONTANARO: Is not she additionally getting slightly little bit of backup, too, from form of an odd supply? I imply, I noticed Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz, who’s a Republican – stated that this ethics investigation was fully ridiculous and that individuals should not be wanting into private lives. What’s that each one about?
DAVIS: Sure. He – might bear in mind Matt Gaetz is SCIF-gate. He is the Florida Republican who led Republicans into storming the categorised briefing room this week. You realize, I feel she does have some allies amongst lawmakers right here. This was a rule change that truly made some individuals uncomfortable, that you’d form of govern this sort of conduct.
However should you bear in mind – and we lined, I feel, nearly all of them on this podcast – 9 members of Congress have been pressured out of workplace over their conduct in that #MeToo motion. I imply, it actually was an issue on Capitol Hill. And these rule modifications have been meant to alter the best way the place operates. Clearly, the principles are working as a result of when individuals do that conduct, they’re now topic to ethics investigations. However it’s creating some form of uncomfortable conversations about what are the form of issues that we needs to be judging members of Congress on.
And I’ll say, in simply kind of gender politics, we have a look at this stuff slightly bit in another way when it is a feminine partaking in this sort of conduct with a younger staffer versus a male lawmaker. So it’s a very attention-grabbing cultural debate on the Hill, and it may very well be a really attention-grabbing potential political drawback for Democrats in the event that they actually need to maintain onto the seat.
DAVIS: All proper, let’s take one other break. And after we get again, we’ll speak concerning the issues we simply cannot let go this week.
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DAVIS: And we’re again. And it is time to finish the present, like we all the time do, with Cannot Let it Go – the a part of the present the place we speak concerning the factor from the week that we simply cannot cease fascinated about, politics or in any other case. Domenico, what cannot you let go this week?
MONTANARO: What I am unable to let go of is Elijah Cummings’ loss of life and his funeral, which was happening as we speak, and other people remembering his life. And there was some extent that Invoice Clinton made that kind of struck me about our present politics that did not have something to do with Trump, actually, however had extra to do with the concept Cummings had buddies who have been Republicans.
DAVIS: Numerous them.
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BILL CLINTON: He tried to deal with all people the best way he needed to be handled, the best way he thought America needs to be handled.
CLINTON: You realize, you may’t run a free society if it’s important to hate all people you disagree with.
MONTANARO: And we noticed earlier within the week, even Mark Meadows, the chairman of the Freedom Caucus – or former chairman of the Freedom Caucus, was crying about his loss of life. That isn’t one thing I feel most individuals would assume is what would occur for someone who’s the top of the Oversight Committee, one of many committees that was, you already know, actually making an attempt to carry the Trump administration’s toes to the fireplace.
And the purpose that Invoice Clinton was making was, we won’t all cancel one another out – that, you already know, what are you going to do, you already know, if you cannot speak to Republicans and you are a Democrat, should you’re a Republican, you may’t speak to Democrats – how are you going to have a society? He stated, how are you going to have a wedding? How are you going to have a enterprise companion? You guys are going to combat. You have to determine the best way to speak to one another.
DAVIS: Nicely, go on the market and discover a good friend. Discover a good friend this weekend who does not assume precisely such as you.
MAK: You do not even have to speak about politics.
DAVIS: You do not – you may simply speak about something.
MONTANARO: Possibly do not speak about politics, really.
KHALID: There you’ve got it.
DAVIS: Asma, what cannot you let go this week?
KHALID: So you might recall that a while in the past I discussed that Pete Buttigieg, who’s working for the presidency of america, was supplied style recommendation by a designer, Tom Ford.
MONTANARO: Oh, yeah.
DAVIS: I might take style recommendation from Tom Ford.
MONTANARO: So would I.
KHALID: So apparently, Pete Buttigieg didn’t.
KHALID: Tom Ford had suggested him that his fits have been form of slightly too saggy and tried to, like, you already know, mainly say that he may assist. Anyhow, Pete Buttigieg did not chunk. However what I believed was form of attention-grabbing is Pete Buttigieg lately dined with Anna Wintour and Michael Kors.
DAVIS: Oh, the Vogue editor.
DAVIS: And one other designer.
KHALID: And one other designer. And this time, apparently, he had a very completely different verdict on his swimsuit.
DAVIS: Buttigieg undoubtedly looks as if a man who does, like, the Jos. A. Financial institution three fits for $250 on the airport deal, you already know?
KHALID: Oh wow. I really feel like…
DAVIS: I imply that as a praise (laughter).
MAK: As a person – our listeners can’t inform this, however as the person on this studio carrying a grey hoodie, denims and trainers, I am not going to be weighing in on anybody else’s style.
DAVIS: On any sartorial decisions?
MONTANARO: I imply, NPR reporters generally, you already know, we do not have to be on TV on a regular basis so we’re not…
KHALID: No person can inform.
MONTANARO: …Precisely wanting good.
DAVIS: However politics is completely different than style, although, as a result of there may be this factor in politics, particularly amongst males, that there is, like, a supply of pleasure to look shabby, proper? Like, you do not care about your garments.
MAK: That is the Zuckerberg. That is the Zuckerberg feel and appear and vitality.
DAVIS: Or – nicely, that is completely different.
KHALID: Or Donald Trump’s fits, bear in mind?
DAVIS: That is, like, a uniform, proper? Like, take out the thought strategy of what you put on. However particularly with males, the place it is like, oh, I wore my sneakers by to the soles, or I put on low-cost fits as a result of I do not care about flashy issues.
DAVIS: Like, males are extra – can extra simply, like, pleasure themselves on lack of style as a advantage.
MAK: That is an excellent publish hoc rationalization of laziness.
DAVIS: That is true.
MONTANARO: Tim, you are able to do billionaire, do not care. However none of us are.
DAVIS: Is that what that Zuckerberg look is?
MONTANARO: I simply coined that.
MAK: Billionaire, do not care.
DAVIS: Tim, what cannot you let go this week?
MAK: OK, I am up final night time at 11:58 p.m.
DAVIS: On objective?
MAK: And I am fairly psyched. You realize, it turns to 11:59 p.m. – getting extra excited.
MAK: And it hits midnight, proper? Which is when now we have been promised this new Kanye West album.
DAVIS: Oh. For weeks, although, we have been promised a Kanye album.
KHALID: Oh. Christian…
MAK: And it didn’t come. So I am up right here, infuriated at 12:04 a.m., at 12:08 a.m. I am sending memes about this betrayal.
DAVIS: (Laughter) Did you stay awake final night time, Tim?
MAK: I – nicely…
MONTANARO: Tim, I feel this simply means you must get some sleep.
MAK: (Laughter) I am actually drained.
DAVIS: So there isn’t any Kanye album?
MAK: Nicely, no. It really – within the preparations for doing the pod as we speak, it has come out.
AYESHA RASCOE, BYLINE: I hear you guys in right here speaking about Kanye.
DAVIS: Women and gents, particular visitor star.
MONTANARO: Is that this like Republicans storming the SCIF?
RASCOE: I simply stormed the studio. There’s been loads of storming this week. I’m Ayesha Rascoe, White Home reporter.
DAVIS: Kanye West professional – resident.
RASCOE: Kanye West opponent.
MAK: You have had exactly 12 minutes to pay attention to varied snippets of this album.
MAK: And also you’re able to render a judgment.
RASCOE: I listened to snippets of this album. I additionally say this as somebody who listens to gospel music as – regularly.
MAK: It is a gospel album. This Kanye album is a gospel album.
RASCOE: It is a gospel album.
RASCOE: And his album is a pale imitation of present gospel music, fashionable gospel music.
RASCOE: Like, initially, R&B and all of that stuff builds off of gospel music, after which modern gospel music builds off of what is occurring on the market, secular music. I imply, you would return to BeBe and CeCe Winans. You’ll be able to go to Kirk Franklin. And you’ve got entice gospel. You have got had rappers, for years, a long time, doing gospel – nothing new.
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KANYE WEST: (Singing) Use this gospel for cover. It is a onerous street to heaven. We referred to as in your blessings. Within the father, we put our religion.
DAVIS: Powerful query, Ayesha – do you not prefer it since you don’t love Kanye?
RASCOE: I feel it’s influenced by that.
RASCOE: However I additionally assume that that is high-quality. Like, it isn’t, like – it is, like, oh, that is horrible. But it surely’s, like, I hear extra of the – you simply activate an everyday gospel station, and also you hear stuff that’s extra transferring.
DAVIS: I feel it is high-quality is, like, among the most savage criticism you would give Kanye West, who lives within the excessive.
RASCOE: It – sure.
DAVIS: To inform him one thing is ok…
RASCOE: It is high-quality. It is high-quality.
MAK: That is why I believed that Ayesha’s understated…
RASCOE: Understated, sure.
MAK: …Criticism was so scathing.
RASCOE: Sure. Sure.
DAVIS: Nicely, I could should name NPR’s safety to get you faraway from this studio.
RASCOE: I used to be simply right here for the – I simply got here in for that. I bought different work to do. However y’all carry on working.
RASCOE: Sure, so – and I’m Ayesha Rascoe. I cowl the White Home. I oppose Kanye West, and I like Beyonce. Thanks.
MONTANARO: You do not get a sign-out. You get to walkout.
DAVIS: I feel Ayesha simply proved she will get no matter she needs.
MONTANARO: She will get no matter she needs, yeah.
DAVIS: Thanks, Ayesha.
MONTANARO: Sue, you bought to comply with that.
DAVIS: Nicely, it will be a troublesome act to comply with. However mine additionally entails some music, which we must always simply begin with the music.
(SOUNDBITE OF PINKFONG’S “BABY SHARK”)
MAK: Uh oh. Oh, I do know the place that is going.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “BABY SHARK”)
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: (Singing) Child shark, do, do, do, do, do, do.
MONTANARO: Is that this Ukrainian?
DAVIS: Child shark, I ought to notice for our fact-checkers – second time has been a consider a Cannot Let It Go in an NPR POLITICS PODCAST. However for this time, it is very completely different as a result of the rationale I am unable to let it go is I didn’t understand how a lot this music had turn into the anthem of the Washington Nationals baseball workforce.
DAVIS: Do y’all learn about this?
MAK: Yeah. I’ve heard slightly bit about this, sure.
MONTANARO: That’s lame.
DAVIS: So that is now, like, the spirit music of the Washington Nationals, that are at present within the World Collection towards the Houston Astros. And it is a music that kind of grew to become a sluggish burn of their fandom over one in all their outfielders, Geraldo (ph) Parra. So when he joined the workforce again in Could, he was form of in a droop. And in July, he modified up his walkup music. So he modified it to “Child Shark”…
MONTANARO: You realize…
DAVIS: …As a nod to his youngsters. His youngsters love the music. It was form of a hokey factor he did. When he modified his walkup music, issues began to show round. He bought some hits on the sport. The Nats began feeling good, so he determined to maintain it as his music. And because the season went on and the workforce bought higher and higher and nearer to the playoffs, everybody has embraced it. The gamers on the workforce have embraced it to the purpose that once they get singles, doubles or triples, they both do the infant shark hand movement, which is sort of a small finger level or they do the clap movement for mommy shark, which is for a double, or they do the large, wide-arm clap for a triple.
KHALID: I really feel like Sue is kind of an professional in “Child Shark” lingo.
DAVIS: Oh, I did…
MONTANARO: Nicely, we have youngsters.
DAVIS: I realized all about this this week, proper? However then additionally, it is turn into – now when individuals bought to bat, the entire stadiums will stand up and sing “Child Shark.” As they have been into the World Collection this week, the Nationwide Symphony Orchestra carried out “Child Shark” on the…
DAVIS: …Kennedy Middle right here in Washington, D.C.
MAK: That is actually cool.
DAVIS: “Child Shark” Halloween costumes have been a run within the Washington, D.C., space as a result of lots of people need to costume their youngsters as child sharks for…
MONTANARO: Oh, wow.
DAVIS: It’s totally well timed. But in addition the factor I feel could be very humorous about it having come from a sports activities household, being married to a sports activities fanatic, often, sports activities superstitions are form of like male and kind of gross. Like, they get – males develop playoff beards just like the Crimson Sox did or they put on the identical socks. And that is like macho sports activities all, like, rallying round this, like…
KHALID: This child’s theme music.
DAVIS: …Earworm – this child’s theme music that has completely rallied Nats nation.
MONTANARO: I feel there may be some sports activities logic to this too. I imply, you get in your head, particularly in baseball should you’re lacking a ball. I imply, we’re speaking about millimeters right here, you already know, the place somebody could also be, you already know, hitting a pop-up as a substitute of a line drive. And possibly that – you already know, the earworm of “Child Shark” taking part in in his head simply let him deal with the swing fairly than fascinated about, you already know, how he would possibly miss it.
DAVIS: All proper. That is a wrap for as we speak. And let’s finish the week by thanking the workforce that places the present collectively. Our government producer is Shirley Henry. Our editors are Muthoni Muturi and Eric McDaniel. Our producer is Barton Girdwood. Our manufacturing assistant is Chloe Weiner. Due to Lexie Schapitl, Dana Farrington, Brandon Carter and Elena Burnett.
I am Susan Davis. I cowl Congress.
MAK: I am Tim Mak. I additionally cowl Congress.
KHALID: I am Asma Khalid. I cowl the presidential marketing campaign.
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